{"id":586237,"date":"2017-03-18T14:30:44","date_gmt":"2017-03-18T18:30:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/joangarry.com\/?p=586237"},"modified":"2023-05-30T15:38:14","modified_gmt":"2023-05-30T19:38:14","slug":"ep32-coach-michael-bungay-stanier","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/joangarry.com\/podcast\/ep32-coach-michael-bungay-stanier\/","title":{"rendered":"Ep 32: Even Roger Federer Has a Coach (With Michael Bungay Stanier)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<p>The word \u201ccoach\u201d can mean a lot of things, but for business and nonprofit leaders, an executive coach can make all the difference.<\/p>\n<p>But coaching \u2013 rather than simply supervising \u2013 is also the best approach for leaders to work with their employees.<\/p>\n<p>The importance of coaching \u2013\u00a0whether in the culture of your organization\u2019s approach to leadership or explicitly with an executive coach \u2013 is the topic of today\u2019s episode.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe you think of coaching as an unaffordable luxury. After you listen to this episode, you just might change your mind.<\/p>\n<h2>About\u00a0Michael Bungay Stanier<\/h2>\n<p>My guest today is Michael Bungay Stanier, senior partner at Box of Crayons, an organization that helps organizations do less <em>good<\/em> work and more <em>GREAT<\/em> work. Box of Crayons is known for its coaching programs that help managers coach successfully in just 10 minutes.<\/p>\n<p>Michael was a Rhodes Scholar, has lived all over the world, and has written two books: <em>The Coaching Habit<\/em> and <em>Do More Great Work<\/em>. He is a sought-after speaker who regularly speaks to businesses and organizations and has delivered keynotes at conferences around the world. He was recognized in 2016 as the #2 coaching guru in the world.<\/p>\n<p>Sufficed to say, Michael KNOWS coaching. And, today, he will share that knowledge with us.<\/p>\n<h2>In this episode:<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>The value (and risk) of hiring a coach from outside your organization<\/li>\n<li>Finding the right \u201cfit\u201d in a coach<\/li>\n<li>Why coaching should not be seen as a sign of weakness (and how to address it with those\u00a0who see it that way)<\/li>\n<li>Why adaptive change is more important than technical change (and what that means)<\/li>\n<li>Three ways coaching can happen in your organization, even without an outside coach<\/li>\n<li>How to build a \u201ccoaching habit\u201d in 10 minutes or less<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<h2>Episode Links:<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.boxofcrayons.biz\/michael-bungay-stanier\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Michael Bungay Stanier&#8217;s Bio<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0978440749\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0978440749&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=joanmgarry-20&amp;linkId=5c0379010af5f601e2b217f9fbfb90d7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>The Coaching Habit<\/em><\/a> by Michael Bungay Stanier<\/li>\n<li><i><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0761156445\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0761156445&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=joanmgarry-20&amp;linkId=1b037a4b4f5560df7d5cb910e284865b\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Do More Great Work<\/a>\u00a0<\/i>by Michael Bungay Stanier<\/li>\n<li><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B014JMLV5C\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B014JMLV5C&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=joanmgarry-20&amp;linkId=8212a854f295cb7772a4c9c39ee5e3f2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Checklist Manifesto<\/a>\u00a0<\/em>by\u00a0Atul Gawande<\/li>\n<li><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0805095152\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0805095152&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=joanmgarry-20&amp;linkId=f7a9e4ee1c23a7e0c54c8c8f69f8b214\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Being Mortal<\/a>\u00a0<\/em>by\u00a0Atul Gawande<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1119293065\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1119293065&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=joanmgarry-20&amp;linkId=863a77aad4c0f68c64a1e54fdf0ae88d\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>Joan Garry&#8217;s Guide to Nonprofit Leadership: Because Nonprofits Are Messy<\/em><\/a> by Joan Garry<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/magazine\/2011\/10\/03\/personal-best\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>Personal Best<\/em><\/a> by Atul Gawande in the New Yorker<\/li>\n<li>Watch Joan on GIVE on NBC<\/li>\n<li>Music by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jukeboxtheghost.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jukebox the Ghost<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For business and nonprofit leaders, an executive coach can make all the difference. 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