{"id":590537,"date":"2021-11-13T10:00:21","date_gmt":"2021-11-13T15:00:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/joangarry.com\/?p=590537"},"modified":"2022-08-10T16:16:42","modified_gmt":"2022-08-10T20:16:42","slug":"ep-146-why-unbecoming-is-the-key-to-innovative-leadership-with-kerri-hoffman","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/joangarry.com\/podcast\/ep-146-why-unbecoming-is-the-key-to-innovative-leadership-with-kerri-hoffman\/","title":{"rendered":"Ep 146: Why Unbecoming Is the Key to Innovative Leadership (with Kerri Hoffman)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Innovative leadership involves more than just figuring out which new ideas or technologies will propel your nonprofit organization toward its mission. It also involves determining which old ways of doing things need to be left behind in order for your org to thrive in the present moment.<\/p>\n<p>This has never been more evident than right now.<\/p>\n<p>As our post-Covid world emerges, many of us are finding out that the changes that we once thought were temporary are here to stay \u2014 and that many of the systems, processes, revenue models, and leadership styles that used to be so \u201cnormal\u201d to us were actually quite flawed.<\/p>\n<p>So we are left with two choices. We can keep hoping that things will return to what we used to call \u201cnormal\u201d or we can innovate in (and around) how we do things.<\/p>\n<p>Today\u2019s guest, Kerri Hoffman (CEO of the nonprofit media company, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.prx.org\/\">PRX<\/a>), credits this philosophy of \u201cunbecoming\u201d one thing to become \u201csomething else\u201d as a catalyst that has helped her lead her organization gracefully through a transformational merger.<\/p>\n<p>But what does this process of \u201cunbecoming\u201d look like for today\u2019s nonprofit leader? And how can it help your organization emerge stronger than ever in our post-Covid world?<\/p>\n<p>Kerri has some very valuable insights on this subject. Listen in as we discuss why \u201cunbecoming\u201d just might be the key to innovative leadership in the \u201cnew normal.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2>Listen to learn:<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>How does the process of \u201cunbecoming\u201d foster innovation?<\/li>\n<li>Why is it important for today\u2019s nonprofit leaders to embrace the \u201cnew normal\u201d?<\/li>\n<li>What is the definition of innovative leadership?<\/li>\n<li>What is the role of innovation in nonprofit leadership?<\/li>\n<li>How has nonprofit leadership changed since the onset of the global pandemic?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2><!--more--><\/h2>\n<h2>Resources<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\">Learn more about <a href=\"http:\/\/www.prx.org\/\">PRX<\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/thelab.ws\/cp\">Free Webinar: The 5 Practices of Outstanding Nonprofit Leaders<\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/joangarry.com\/ep-99-what-visionaries-do-best-with-paul-rice\/\">Ep 99: What Visionaries Do Best<\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/joangarry.com\/ep-145-how-tiny-habits-create-big-change-with-bj-fogg\/\">Ep 145: How Tiny Habits Create Big Change<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/tinyurl.com\/y46jnuqs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Joan Garry\u2019s Guide to Nonprofit Leadership &#8211; 2nd Edition by Joan Garry<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Free Webinar: <a href=\"https:\/\/nonprofitleadershiplab.com\/free\/5practices\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The 5 Practices of Outstanding Nonprofit Leaders<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/yournonprofitlife.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Your Nonprofit Life Podcast<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/instagram.com\/joangarryconsulting\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Joan Garry\u2019s Instagram<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Explore the <a href=\"https:\/\/nonprofitleadershiplab.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Nonprofit Leadership Lab<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Music by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jukeboxtheghost.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jukebox the Ghost<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Voiceover Work by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cindycapsolutions.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Cindy Cap Solutions<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Contact Kerri Hoffman<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/kerri-hoffman-7870688\">LinkedIn<\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/kerriprx?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor\">Twitter<\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/prx?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor\">PRX\u2019s Twitter<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/prxofficial\/?hl=en\">PRX&#8217;s Instagram<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>About Kerri:<\/h2>\n<p>As CEO of the nonprofit media company <a href=\"http:\/\/www.prx.org\/\">PRX<\/a>, Kerri Hoffman has played a key role in the building and evolution of PRX, and led the launch of the Radiotopia podcast network, &#8216;The Moth Radio Hour,&#8221; &#8220;Reveal,&#8221; and recently managed all aspects of PRX\u2019s merger with Public Radio International. She was recently named Podcast Executive of the Year by Adweek. For 15 years, PRX has operated public radio\u2019s largest distribution marketplace, offering thousands of shows including &#8220;This American Life,&#8221; &#8220;Snap Judgment,&#8221; and more. Named one of Fast Company\u2019s &#8220;Ten Most Innovative Companies in Media&#8221; in both 2015 and 2017, the company has pioneered new approaches to content, talent, and technology.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode, my guest Kerri Hoffman (CEO of the nonprofit media company, PRX) and I discuss what innovative leadership really looks like in the post-Covid nonprofit sector.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":590539,"template":"","format":"audio","categories":[57,24],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-590537","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","format-audio","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-leadership","category-podcast"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v24.9 (Yoast SEO v24.9) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Why Unbecoming Is the Key to Innovative Leadership (with Kerri Hoffman)<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Listen in as 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